Verizon Wireless, Quick 2 Net, and Bluetooth PDA

It’s never too late to learn something new, at least that is my justification for being somewhat behind the times in figuring out wireless Internet connection.  Last night I managed to get my bluetooth enabled cell phone and PDA to pair, and using my
Verizon Wireless talk plan was able to connect to the Internet using my airtime minutes / nights and weekend free minutes.

I’ve had my Motorola V710 cell phone for over a year now, and an aging Compaq iPAQ 3870 for some time.  Since both these devices use bluetooth technology I figured that there must be away to connect them and make a data call over the Internet, but up until yesterday I assumed that I needed an expensive data plan from VZW to make the connection happen.  I had heard different stories from multiple different sources about connecting to the ‘net using a standard talk plan and free airtime minutes – some said it could be done, some said not, VZW insisted that I’d need to pay for a plan upgrade when I spoke to customer support.  So, I decided to try it.

If you dig around the VZW website, you’ll find something called Quick 2 Net (sometimes known as 1xRTT), which is a low bandwidth connection over wireless (up to 14.4kbps). VZW don’t like to mention it much because they want customers to subscribe to their broadband packages (EVDO and National Access), which offer high speed wireless at a monthly cost. My talk plan is America’s Choice Plan Network, with two phones – mine and my wife’s, and Quick 2 Net is available in my area at no extra cost.  I have yet to determine if I have incurred any KB charges, the newsgroups say Q2N is free except for the airtime call, but as soon as my next bill arrives I’ll know for sure.  Not all plans are the same, so I would recommend trying out a connection and then following up with VZW to see if you’re charged or not. 

So, how do you get it to work?  Here’s how…

1. Make sure that you know how to pair your bluetooth enabled VZW cell phone with your PDA/laptop.  Typically, the bluetooth radio in your cell will not be turned on when under normal conditions, so make sure you turn it on (duh), and remember to turn it off afterwards, when not in use as bluetooth can burn battery life looking for devices to pair with.

2. Once a pair has been established, configure dial-up access on your PDA. If using PPC 2003 or Windows Mobile 5, you should be able to establish a dial-up session using the bluetooth manager.

3. When prompted for the telephone number for dial-up ‘net access, key in #777.

4. The user name for the session should be your-cellphone-number@vzw3g.com. The password is vzw.  I’ve read in a few forums that the user name and password should both be qnc.

5. That’s it, click connect and your PDA should communicate with your cellphone over bluetooth and make an outbound call, connecting to the Internet.  Looking at my Motorola V710 I see “Packet Data” on the screen, indicating that the call is a data call and not voice.

17 thoughts on “Verizon Wireless, Quick 2 Net, and Bluetooth PDA

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    How did the Quick 2 Net on Verizon work out for you? Did they charge you more than air time? We are traveling and looking to be able to retrieve email on the road, and thought this might be the solution. Thanks for your timely information.

    jjthomp@northnet.org

  2. Bill Green

    Woah, slow down there. Your mixing up two different services: one is free, one isn’t.

    Quick2Net, a.k.a QNC, uses what is known as circuit switched data to get you online. You see, on CDMA networks, all calls are ‘data’ calls, in the sense that when you make a phone call, your phone encodes your voice with a codec, and then sends that as digital data over the network, where it eventually gets decoded, and sent on though the analog phone network.

    Each phone call takes a single channel, which has a 14.2 kbps bandwidth. When you use QNC, your phone locks into one of these channels, but uses it to send TCP/IP data over a PPP session, instead of a voice call.

    Since a QNC connection is essentially the same as a regular voice call, it doesn’t cost anything extra, just minutes. So, if you have free nights and weekends, it doesn’t cost you minutes during nights and weekends, etc.

    1xRTT, which verizon refers to as NationalAccess, is a totally different deal. It uses packet switched data, and more than one 14.4 kbps channel, to get you your data at up to 144 kbps. Ultimately, it costs little more than QNC to impliment, but Verizon charges for it, anyhow.
    <b>If you access the internet using a cellhphone and 1xRTT, you will get a huge charge on your next bill</b>, unless you have a plan. There was a loophole at one point that let you use 1xRTT, and only be charged minutes, but that has since been closed, for the most part. Officially, using 1xRTT for data requires a plan.

    EV-DO is similar to 1xRTT, but is much, much faster. As a result, it is also much, much more expensive. By default, phones that support both 1xRTT and EV-DO will route data via the EV-DO network.

    To access the net via QNC, for free, use ‘qnc’ as the username and password.

    To access the net via 1xRTT, or EV-DO (If your phone supports it, and your in a covered area), use ‘yourverizonnumber@vzw3g.com’ as the username, and ‘vzw’ as the password.

    Be careful here, or you will get a nasty surprise on your next bill…

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    so I just got off the phone with verizon and they told me that it .25 per min to use quick 2 net using #7772 dialing number. Is there really a way to do this using no data using just your normal plan minuets?

  4. robgarrett

    Bill,
    Thanks for the clarification – so it looks like I was using QNC, hense the free access.

    StuffDogg – my advice is to ignore VZW and take a chance with a quick air time call – using qnc, as Bill suggests, and then check your bill – whenever I call VZW I get conflicting answers and half the time I know more about their service than they do.

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    I have been digging around in VZW to find how to get the Quick 2 Net.
    I would like to install and/or buy watever is needed to get this going. can some one help me.
    Thanks,
    Herman

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    Hey guys. I have been using Quick 2 Net for years and have never been charged a penny. It just uses your airtime. It’s very slow 14.4 but when you’re out on the road it’s great for checking email and some basic web surfing. Enjoy!!

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    I use 1XRTT Q2N at a lot of location becuase my family got over a thousand miniutes. Its pretty fast. faster then Dial UP. I get like 244kbps and download at 24KB/sec way faster then 56K Dialup.

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    Are there three different protocols here? QNC, 1X, and EVDO?
    I just got my Samsung SCH-A870 to access the internet at 115.2 kbps. I did it during nighttime minutes, using the phonenumber@vzw3g.com and vzw password. I read somewhere that setting “Pref Mode” to CDMA only will avoid EVDO, which would certainly incur charges? Will I be billed?
    It seemed like Bill Green had some good insights. So 1X and EVDO are billed the same way, i.e. not free?
    There seems to be a lot of mixed info out there. Anyone _really_ know?

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    Been there done it, for over 2 years! FREE, as in N/C, @ high speed ! I’m talkin’ 780Kbs, ya’ over 3/4 Meg. Until the big V got wise to it. This happened within Upstate NY, way up but my point is that it is free but now it is slow! I setup just way to many of my friends! I’m telling ya’, Bill Green hit it on the nose!!! At a time it was so sick, no more. They got wise, to a point that is! Where their is a will, a way, bla, bla, bla.

  10. Rob

    Hey guys,

    I have connected to the internet for the past 5 years, FREE. Using my LG phone as a modem. No added charge except for the minutes. Recently my laptop crashed and I cannot find the order version of “Quick 2 Net” anywhere. Would you know were I can find it? I have the phone drivers and Venturi client from the mobile office kit but cannot find “Quick 2 Net”.

    I havent tried the newer version VZ access manager but get the feeling it wont work. Will try installing this week.

    Any assistence is welcome.

    Thank you.
    Rob

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    well i have a mixed feeling if i will get slammed with a charge for half hour of testing quick 2 net on my old v276 motorolla phone. and since my billing cycle just started today i will have to wait to see my next bill. any of you have used this recently like this year and was it free? btw i use verizon wireless.

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    I talked to 4 different verizon stores and got 3 answers. It sounds like the older plans are grandfathered for free access but new ones require a data plan for high-speed. I can (and do) use this for only minutes on my plan of year 2005.

    I’ve heard mixed info about Quick 2 Net (qnc) as to whether it’s free or not, I don’t have a new plan yet so I can’t try it under the new policy. I hope it’s still there and still free but I have my doubts. I see the connection is no longer installed by default…

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    I have used this for two years, using my LG Phone… FREE! Just used airtime, so I have had the Free Nights & Weekend Plan. Now it is Nov.2008, very hard to find any phones that sell any “mobile office kit” which is what initially I purchased with this phone to hop online. It is extremely slow though. I have noticed at off-peak times (internet usage) it does work more quickly. I’d be interested in hearing from others if any NEWER phones can hop on the old quick 2 net for free???
    Or Older phones never used??? Email me cameraflashphoto@yahoo.com

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